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« Reply #405 on: October 31, 2009, 11:35:31 AM »

http://fanfiction.shurtugal.com/toplists.php

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« Reply #406 on: October 31, 2009, 11:55:42 PM »

I still think that what I said earlier would be a good idea.

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« Reply #407 on: November 29, 2009, 10:04:30 PM »

I've been thinking that maybe you guys should do the Member Introduction in a different way than it's done.  Instead of having that time limit, I think once a user has something posted on the main site, that user should have his/her intro thread put in a different board, instead of the Member Introductions and the Old Member Introductions thing.  I think it'd be easier for people to know who has posted fiction and whatnot, because judging by the activity in the author introduction thread, not many people visit that to see who's got posted things, and not everyone with posted fiction creates an author introduction thread.  Also, it'd be something to see who's got posted stories without having to discuss solely their writing.  I'm sorry if I'm not making any sense.  I'm in a blabbling mood.
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« Reply #408 on: November 29, 2009, 11:41:13 PM »

That's how it used to be, actually. We had a "Members" board, with the child boards "Moderators," "SFF Authors," (or something to that effect) and "Users" (for those who didn't have anything posted on the SFF).

It was changed to try and rectify some issues - namely, newbies getting lost under hundreds of older, popular threads. Every user had only one thread for both general discussion and discussion of fics. That also led to a lot of spam tangent discussions. Those threads that primarily focused on writing were usually 2-3 pages back, and the threads of the more reserved users were typically never seen. *shrug* It had a few problems, but the current setup isn't perfect either. I'm about 50/50 between the two. They've both got faults - I suppose it's just a preference thing.

I do agree though, that the author's thread seems kind of buried lately...
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« Reply #409 on: December 03, 2009, 05:16:40 AM »

Would it be a good idea just to make the author discussion treads into their own board instead of combining them with writing discussion? That would probably get them noticed and visited more often. I don't think having it as a child board (especially behind a popular board) is a good idea.
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« Reply #410 on: April 11, 2010, 10:14:57 PM »

To the administration staff and users of Shur'tugal Fanfiction:

First, I would like to state that this is not a deliberate attack.  Instead, it is a deliberate exposure of an issue that has pushed for the leaving of many members, some of whom have left within the past couple of days.  I do not mean to hurt anyone.  I do not like hurting anyone.  If though, this seems like a deliberate attack, it is because situations like the recent one and the others have caused this view from me, and I am fed up with it.  But people have been hurt, many times over, and though it was a silly issue that started this, it was an anger lying underneath users that were, quite honestly, victimized by the moderation staff of this site.  Certain things need to change.

I have never been a very active member here, for my own reasons.  However, it is common knowledge that I am the younger sister of Lirial Grace, who has been treated very disrespectfully by moderators and administrators here who have a lot of maturing do to before they are capable of responsibly running a website or any position of authority. 

There is no say within the community of users of who is made moderator.  It is the sole opinion of the specific few that have been selected by prior administrators and moderators.  What does that cause?  Bitterness, and it causes also an inability to accept this within some. 

The clumsy way drama is handled is absurd.  It's juvenile and calls into question why you dare think so highly of yourselves as administrators and moderators.  As for users, it's pathetic and cowardly that you would simply sit back and allow it, because you don't want to stop it or risk the threat of a strike.  It's like tyranny:  specific people, all of whom tend to agree with each other overly much, rule, with little input allowed by the populace.  Don't you dare say that it isn't true.  If it wasn't, you wouldn't have been so eager to get rid of my sister, one of the few that would stand up to this petty charade of dictatorship.  This is a corrupted autocracy by high schoolers that need to grow up majorly.  You insult people and think because of your position and because you write it in professional words and sign it so condescendingly that you have the right to do so. 

You silence the voices of those who protest.  Then you dare call yourselves Christians.  I happen to know most of you claim Christianity.  You've fallen into the narrow-minded side of it that pushes so many to atheism.  You go unchecked and unchallenged, and you grow to despise and even hate those in this "community" that don't fit in your view of what is good or smart or kind.  You have a single idea of what friends you make and what friends you don't, and you let that block your view.  Perhaps you were raised that way, but that doesn't excuse it.

You were eager to find an excuse to shove Grace out the door.  You wanted her gone, so you overreacted to the slightest thing she did "wrong".  The worst part is she considered you friends.  She even seemed to genuinely like you.  Yet you hated her, or perhaps her personality, which doesn't fit in your pew of this hypocritical, self-righteous assembly.  She did what she could to get on people's good sides, from what I can see, and I wonder why.  I don't understand the hate and blatant disregard you had to the wrong way you treated her.

"People are afraid of things they don’t understand. (This has nothing to do with the ‘streaking’ incident.)"  This is what HG said.  She meant Grace, my sister.  She meant the person you couldn't see, because you were too self-absorbed and too eager to go simply by what she appeared to be.  You chose not to like her because she didn't fit in what you deem nice and clean and proper, or whatever righteous notions you have of how a person should act and behave.  She was unapologetic and didn't care if what she said wasn't politically correct.  For that reason, she was, and is, the strongest person you will ever know.  It's too bad you were too blinded into yourselves to see it. 

You think "Oh, we lost another one," and shrug it off as such.  Yet you think they're leaving for their own purposes and don't see what pushed them away is yourselves.  How about in those threads where you constantly belittle the fashion people post with and do it so arrogantly, like you're the experts on post form?  How many users will you lose before your   This self-righteous attitude so many of you adopt, and this blatant prejudice, is going to lead to your ruin.  If you don't care to see it from people you never cared to see, then more's the pity.  You'll fall all the harder.  This site needs a serious attitude change, and it needs to start from the top and work its way down.

Also, another alarming thing is the disrespectful way I have seen you have on people that have left, on less than pleasant terms.  You "dare" them to prove how the site is in the wrong and say they left because there was nothing wrong but their own opinions.  You did so by multiple members mocking NaruandKane when she left, and you did it with your administrator's signature in Lirial Grace's thread before she locked it.  There wasn't even a pretense of missing her.  You began celebrating her absence once it was made official, and that is sickening. 

Will you delete this or edit this?  Most likely.  Yet did you delete the public attacks the moderation staff and self-righteous users - who acted like it was such a personal attack against them - made against people that broke rules?  You totally blow things out of proportion, and it's absolutely absurd.  I'm not going to sit aside

For those of you who are made victims to this childish tirade, farewell, and I sincerely hope some of you one day find your voices and protest this ridiculous behavior of the site, and I sincerely hope members of the administration staff and their most eager supporters realize their wrong mindset and change this close-minded personality you each have. 

That is my suggestion.

-Jo



P.S. - This is also written in the name of all the people that have left for this same reason.  I would list them, but that would be too long.  It is safe to say that the number has reached a dozen at least.  Perhaps you'll listen to the voices.  Perhaps you won't listen until there are no more voices to hear.
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« Reply #411 on: April 12, 2010, 05:37:43 AM »

What the heck? Um, dearest, no one ever pushed Lirial. Sorry if she felt that way, but we were all very kind to her. All the mods did was reprimand her one last time and she threw a fit and left. Not anyone's fault. She left voluntarily. The mods are listening to the voices. I know because I read all they say. Trust me on this. They are not tyrants in anyway.

To those who have been on this site forever: What do you think? Do you really think these mods you have known for so long have suddenly been corrupted by power(Um, power over a website?) Tori? Swen? FL? Alzy? I am sorry, but I have a hard time believing this.

No voices have been silenced. We encourage opinion, but not brutal attack.

IMO, this is all for Grace. This post is not concerned for anyone but Lirial. That is what I gather from this.
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« Reply #412 on: April 12, 2010, 09:24:48 AM »

Dear Administration,

Starting with Princess Seirra:
Why should the only people's whose opinion count be "those who have been on this site forever"? That's the problem with this go--amn site. Does an 18 year old voter's vote count for any less than than an 89 year old voter? No. Their opinion still counts. Why don't you all take this into account.

Tori:
I honestly have nothing to say to you. You're a good friend, but from the perspective of many users, many see you as the mod's 'Lacky'. It's not meant as an insult, because I personally don't think so, but it is a common consensus.

To Clopho-
The people who are leaving aren't following LG. I am leaving for my own reasons. Just the other day, a very good friend of mine shot and killed himself. I have since been thinking seriously on a lot of things, because I realize life is too short for me to left things unspoken. I can also validate that many others are leaving for the same reasons, and know a lot of us are on Nightfallen, and so, because we like to talk with many of you, we have gone there. Simple.

Also, your job as moderators and administrators is to keep this site running smoothly. It's to make sure the users are happy and invite more people in the site. When people are leaving so quickly it's a warning sign that you aren't doing your job right.

To Alzyran:
I honestly have nothing to say to you either. You handle your position well and maturely. I honestly think you should be an administrator.

To Fires Light:
Again, I have nothing with you either. You, again, handle your position with poise and leave nothing to be complained about. Brava.

Swenson:
I struggle to say much to you, really. I know you're going through a hard time, and that's why I was trying to be nice in my other 'goodbye' letter. I also know today is Monday and you're going back to school and today will be hard for you, but I must say, Swenson, I know you unfairly get a lot of heat. However, as the widely-considered 'face' of the administration, it's not something that should be surprising.
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Things that could be done:

1. I say you should include users more in the site. Include them in the choices that affect the site. Include them in the choice of administration and hold the administration accountable.

2. I say you show the users the soft underbelly of the beast. If you allow users to see how this site works, perhaps we all could better understand it and take those facts into consideration. Even if just for a few days, open up all of the boards for users to see (Even if you keep them locked) and you might see a budding interest in the way things work and more contented users. Some users might even be able to give you suggestions you may not have thought of.

3. Revise, edit, and re-read. This site is much like a paper. Things can always change for the better, and I don't think it's being utilized. I also think you need another Moderator for the SFFA. If you got one that could devote more time to the challenges and whatnot, you might see a heightened interest in that.

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If you could please validate the deletion of my account as well, I would be most thankful.
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« Reply #413 on: April 12, 2010, 02:34:02 PM »

@ #2: We do show you what we do.  We validate stories, talk about random nerdish stuff, and ban spambots.  We don't hold secret meetings about "who we hate" or "who should go die" or "what're they up to".  We keep records of strikes, bans, and projects around SF3.  VAEF used to discuss/show banners for winners of contests we have around here so that we could have those ready on time.  We keep track of who's going on vacation when and coordinate meetings to fix things if the site's messed up (or to decide who's handling what, such as Anda being in charge of Clubs and myself in charge of FF).  We brainstorm ideas for contests as well as other ways to get everyone more interested in things.

We do nothing privately that you don't already know about.  Nothing.  We're not going to reveal, however, the strikes and bans of others.  That's personal and, as the ESR "incident" shows, many seem happier when it is kept private.  And who honestly needs to know about someone's two-week queue ban or yet another spambot infestation destroyed?

I'm proud to be a "lackey", if that is what 'many' think.  I will still continue to validate stories, talk about random nerdish stuff, ban spambots, manage FF, and help with the SFFA.  That's what I'm here for, and that's what I'll continue to do as long as is needed.
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« Reply #414 on: April 12, 2010, 02:52:36 PM »

This whole place has started to fall apart since Shad left
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« Reply #415 on: April 12, 2010, 03:56:14 PM »

It started to fall when the original admins left, actually. They were strict and could keep order.

HG, I wasn't saying the opinions of newbies didn't matter. I was merely asking those who knew the mods before they were mods if their personalities have changed since they became mods. I hope you aren't mad at me for what I am saying. I just hate that everyone wants to judge the mods like they are neo-nazi, futuristic Hitlers or something. These mods are very (VERY) lenient compared with their predecessors.
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« Reply #416 on: April 12, 2010, 03:59:21 PM »

When was that? I only noticed it since Shad left
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« Reply #417 on: April 12, 2010, 04:07:15 PM »

They left shortly after the upgrade. Mindi and DF held the site pretty well, but then we had DF and Shad leave at the same time- that was a big strike to the system.

Which brings me to something. A question for the admin or interested mods: The things we used to do. The things that worked. Can we get those back together? Please? Writing challenges, maybe creating a mini-newsletter, error of the month, user of the month, that kind of thing? I'm quite sure there would be enough users on the site who would want to keep this up. It would add more to do on this site instead of fighting uselessly about a website of all things. We're authors. We're better than this. We all came here for a reason: to improve writing in a social environment where we can get a second opinion on our work while making new friends.
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« Reply #418 on: April 12, 2010, 04:50:37 PM »

I think we should move our conversation to my therad
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« Reply #419 on: April 12, 2010, 09:19:14 PM »

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My reasons for leaving are my own.  However, it's common knowledge that the reason why I left concern personal views on the moderation staff, and the fact it was placing too much stress in my life how I was constantly bumping heads with them over the simplest issues.

I don't have any followers.  I am not leading some cult that has thus taken form of my own site.  I merely voice my own opinions in ways that some will agree with, and some won't.  The ones that agree with it are capable of their own opinion, and they are not in any way, shape, or form following my whims like senseless puppies.  It hurts me that you would think of me as capable of using people when I tried my hardest to not manipulate people, though sometimes I feel like this site manipulates far too many people, and it annoys me that you would dismiss what we are saying as a moment of insanity.  These are thoughts and opinions that have been brewing in our minds, or at least mine, for awhile.  What I said struck a cord in each of them.

Yes, they are my friends.  Yet I did not in any way, shape, or form cajole them into signing some pact of leaving on the same day.  Arska did so because, well, she's my Arska, my psychotic raven, and because she was the one I always went to because I was depressed about the way I felt targeted on this site.  Also, she in turn came to me when she felt treated unfairly.  As for Brax, that was his decision, and Magma has always seen a problem with this site's administration.  Skoc herself has explained her reasons for leaving

Princess Sierra, I'm sorry to call you out, my love, but I noticed in the past that you especially had a tendency to talk sh*t about people after they left and were thus unable to defend themselves.  At least, I noticed that when Naru and Nemo left the site.  Also, please do not insult my sister by calling her "dearest" when you follow it with insinuating that she is completely and totally wrong.  She may have let it slipped, but I don't think such implications are truly necessary.   

Honestly, I was not angry when I deleted my account.  I felt betrayed in a sense, a feeling I got often on this site, and hurt and sad.  I did not do it because I was angry.  I have been angry with the moderation staff on this site plenty of times before.  Perhaps I found it alarming that past "transgressions" were not really being forgiven, and I constantly had the weight of this on my shoulders every time I logged on. 

Two incidents that continue to be shoved into my face were the incidents involving kyleagius and Sasa.  Firstly, though on the outside it seemed unnaturally cruel what I had said to Sasa, it was something I felt, and feel still, that needed to be said.  She returned the next day, did she not?  And we have gotten along fine.  Any personal friendship between us is our own concern, but I can guarantee you she did not hold anything against me.  In fact, she joined my site shortly thereafter and continues to go on that site.  Does that seem like she is a person I have permanently scarred with my opinionated personality and sheer idiocy?  Secondly, what set kyleagius off is nothing of my real concern or my fault.  He obviously had something against me, but apparently not everyone can like me, and it does not mean that I am an evil person because he decided to cuss me out and call me out in a conversation where he was not even mentioned in the least.  We were discussing what we perceive as errors in the children of society, and perhaps he thought I was saying it as a direct attack instead of seeing it as totally irrelevant to him and definitely not a personal attack that would lead to the way he treated me.  I was being mistreated, yet the administration staff has always thought I was the cause of it.  Perhaps it is because I remained on this site whereas Kyle left.  Until that moment when he went crazy on me, I considered the two of us tentative friends and I never directed any attacks on him in the least. 

As for the ESR incident, I did my best to help people with it.  I talked to those I saw were hurt by her, but I could not morally allow the slander that was aimed against her.  I stood up for her because no one else had, everyone too busy talking about how evil she was for doing such a horrid act, how she betrayed us all and really getting melodramatic.  I got multiple PMs from users saying they felt the same way. 

As for my "repeated veiled insults toward the common sense of the moderators," whenever I wrote anything negative about the moderators in a post where I was not being too serious in the rest of the post, it was said playfully, and it was not malicious or meant to bring harm.  But how dare I try to say anything evil about the gods of SF3?!  It always frustrated me that even the slightest joke about the moderation staff would entail such a response from them, when the "commoners" took it for the humor as it was meant. 

I am not trying to excuse my actions.  Perhaps I am trying to justify them, but that is because the moderation staff has continued to hold these things against me, and the way they do so is what forms my opinion on the wrongness of how they "reign."

That is precisely it.  It is the way little things erupt into such chaotic drama and the moderators tend to only make it worse.  The incident with Kyle was not my fault, though it is continually viewed as so with Swen, and the moderation staff holds what happened with Sasa against me even though she's not as hurt as they seem convinced.  Then there was the Tribe of Lirial incident.  Because it had my name on it, and because my attempts to making it seem like it was something that there could only be one of, and that one thing was mine made it seem like I was being juvenile and childish erupted like mad.  I could continue to list the incidents.  Yet when I reflect on them, I see they are not as major as they appeared after moderators invariably fed the flames.  These incidents, amongst others, were pinpointed on me and I do not feel I have been fully forgiven for this, shown by the sensitivity moderators have had against me.  Then there are incidents I have seen involving other users that I do not agree with.  No, I'm not referring to the ESR drama.  People need to get over that.  Instead, it was the way moderators refused to listen to users until the point the users felt the need to leave the site.

It is pathetic and childish that you would attempt to belittle our reasons and dismiss them so easily, and that juvenile attitude, as well as the way that this site tends to make more out of situations than anything I've known since high school days, perhaps even more than those days, it why I leave.  Consider it the fact that though I love you guys, I see as much a problem in many of the users as the moderators, though I am not exaggerating when I say I love you guys.  Perhaps it's arrogant of me in a sense, but I've always thought of this site as filled with my younger siblings.

I do not, in essence, have anything against the moderators as people.  That is not why I felt the need to leave, as many people have gotten the idea, if I consider the messages and the hateful posts people have written about my leaving.

Swen, you and I were friends before you became administrator, or even moderator, if I recall back to the early days.  We had a lot of intense discussions, and I told you pieces of my past that I do not hand out often, mainly because I do not want people to think that I mean to complain or to gain sympathy. 

FL, I've always loved reading what you write.  You are so brilliant, and your genius posts always intimidated me and made me feel like the idiot that I am.  You are also a very kind person.

Alzyran, I love your adorable tree-hugger self.  True, I am still traumatized by that PM you sent me berating me for my arrogance with my whole Tribe of Lirial idea gone wrong, but I had so much fun attempting to flirt with you to see if I could get a creeped out reaction from you!  (though I bet it just made you sigh like I am a mental case instead of blushing.)

Anda, I've always loved how you always appeared in conversations that pertained to mushrooms in the like.  It was always so much fun reading your matter-of-fact approach to it.  Also, all my comments on your photos on Facebook are because you're just so friggin' gorgeous.

Tori, I apologize for the claims I made against you.  I was angry, and I felt you were attacking me, and I felt the attacks were too far and blowing things way out of proportion.  I just often think the way moderators handle situations is unfair and isn't handled correctly, and I think some of the reprimands are made a little too personal and yet too professional at the same time.  You make it like a personal attack but think because you use fancy formats that it comes off as intimidating.  No, it's just insulting.  And I don't really like to be insulted over ridiculous, petty issues.  Yet I sometimes see a lot of stress in you as a moderator, and I still remember the PM you sent me when the whole "Tribe of Lirial" drama, about how you thought it was unfair that it was being blamed solely on me.  That PM made me cry like a baby.  Then other things, listening to my retarded book ideas and pretending to have interest in them.  But I just have not been able to respect how you conduct yourself as a moderator. 

That is my opinion of the individuals of the moderation staff.  That is why I have not left before.  Yet I disagree with many aspects of how this site is run, and I am tired of how these people seem to go around and pick at my posts to find aspects of it they don't approve of, almost like they do that to specifically me and are holding against me things I've done in the past.

~Grace



Also, if you have a problem with what has occurred with the "Grace Tribe Exodus," please be more mature about it instead of simply attempting to slander us and insinuate that we are unreasonable, ignorant, or completely insane.  Don't write how you perceive things to be in a way that makes me look evil, because I'm not, and particularly when it is a situation when the only way I can defend myself is through someone else's account.  I left for my own reasons, and simply because they are not your reasons, or have not effected you the way they have done so me, does not call for saying harsh things about me when I no longer have an account to defend myself.  Instead, take it to me.  My email address is QTKTdid@aol.com.  Perhaps if you contact me instead of talking crap about me, like many of you have done so of quite a few people that left on less than peaceful terms, it would help quiet this situation and make it easier on the moderators.  Though I do not always appreciate their methods, I do in fact consider them my tentative friends.   

My own addition to this is to address the way I mentioned the Christianity of the moderators and other users on this site.  The mention of it has nothing to do with not liking the way they "moderate," but I see this pretentious attitude in most people of this site of good, chaste kids who because they still have their V cards are something special and above everyone else. 

-Jo

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